Poreklo Dzerolda Dejna

Evo jedne teme samo za Dimitrija da ne kuka vise kako mu razne fangrupe srozavaju Darkstara-a  
Ljubaznoscu jos jednog podanika kuce Martel, ili bolje reci podanice sam upravo dobio link o ovoj teoriji

I believe that Darkstar is a legitimised bastard of an as-of-yet unamed Dayne Lady and Oberyn Martell.

EDIT: Darkstar may not be a legitimised bastard, but still could be Oberyn's son through an affair with a woman married into house Dayne, or a Dayne woman (in Dorne, the family name can be carried on through the female line). The main crux of the theory is that he is Oberyn's son. Any consequences of him being a legitimised bastard are secondary.

I have mentioned this theory a couple of times before on this forum, but I thought I would post a more detailed explanation of my reasoning for it.


Darkstar's age:

In the Tyrion ASOS chapter before the trial by combat, Oberyn tells Tyrion the story of how he travelled with Elia to Casterly Rock, and where they stopped on the way.

"Do you recall the tale I told you of our first meeting, Imp?" Prince Oberyn asked, as the Bastard of Godsgrace knelt before him to fasten his greaves. "It was not for your tail alone that my sister and I came to Casterly Rock. We were on a quest of sorts. A quest that took us to Starfall, the Arbor, Oldtown, the Shield Islands, Crakehall, and finally Casterly Rock . . . but our true destination was marriage. Doran was betrothed to Lady Mellario of Norvos, so he had been left behind as castellan of Sunspear. My sister and I were yet unpromised.

Notice the only Dornish castle mentioned is Starfall, the seat of House Dayne. They obviously would have required to stop at other Dornish castles in between, due to the long distance between Starfall and Sunspear. So why is Starfall the only one mentioned?

Assuming Oberyn conceived a child on this visit, the child would be aged at either 26 or 27 at the end of ADWD, due to being of an age with Tyrion, who was born in 274AL, depending on the time it took to reach Casterly Rock. I dont think it's a stretch to put this time to be a minimum of 2 months and maximum of one year. Darkstar is said to be mid-late 20s by GRRM. So regardless, he was born around the time that these events are taking place.


Darkstar's appearence:

Darkstar

He has thick silver hair that falls to his collar like a silver glacier, divided by a streak of midnight black. His eyes appear black but at closer vantage they are a dark purple - dark and angry

Oberyn

Oberyn has a lined face with thin eyebrows, black "viper" eyes and a sharp nose.[2] His hair is lustrous and black with only a few silver streaks and recedes from his brow into a widow's peak.

Darkstar shares the common features of House Dayne with Oberyn. His eyes are a mix of the Dayne purple and Oberyn's black, his hair a mix of the Dayne silver and Oberyn's black.

EDIT: It has also been noted that both Oberyn and Darkstar share similar features in their nose. Oberyn's described as sharp, Darkstar's aqualine. Which are similar if not the same.


Darkstars mannerisms:

 He has a cruel mouth and a crueler tongue

Oberyn talks about himself

"I promptly named him Baelor Breakwind, and after that Elia couldn't look at him without laughing. I was a monstrous young fellow, someone should have sliced out my vile tongue."

Darkstar describer by Daemon Sand to Arianne Martell

"Is that what Darkstar is? A man?" Ser Daemon grimaced. "A man would not have done what he did to Princess Myrcella. Ser Gerold is more a viper than your uncle ever was. Prince Oberyn could see that he was poison, he said so more than once. It’s just a pity that he never got around to killing him."

He is compared with Oberyn and described as similar by Daemon, and he clearly shares Oberyn's cruel wit.

He is also described as poison by Oberyn more than once, what better way to describe the son of a viper?

Also, if Oberyn wanted to kill him, why didn't he? Fear of being a kinslayer?

EDIT: Another Darkstar quote regarding Vipers, poison etc.

"Watch where you set your feet," Drey cautioned. "It has been a while since Prince Oberyn milked the local vipers."


"I was weaned on venom, Dalt. Any viper takes a bite of me will rue it." Ser Gerold vanished through a broken arch.

Although not all snakes are immune to their own venom, I believe Vipers are


The attack on Myrcella:

A revenge attack for the death of his father?


Purpose in the plot:

So what would it serve should my theory be true in regards to the story?

If Darkstar is the legitimised bastard of Oberyn Martell, the order of succession for the prince of Dorne would be (stand to be corrected):

Doran (old)
Arianne (A woman)
Trystane (A boy, betrothed to a Lannister)
Darkstar

Is this why Doran describes him as the most dangerous man in Dorne? Because he is the next man in line for the seat of Sunspear?



So let me have it. What are the holes in the theory?

Dakle, Zvezdanina teorija?  Tj, ona ju je našla.

Dobro, Doran će odapeti brzo, ali imaju poslije i Arijana i Tristan. Ne vjerujem da će ih baš oboje srediti. Taman i da je ova teorija tačna, ne vjerujem da ima neki značaj za priču.

Правда за Даркстара! Mислим, само погледај ово:

Неправда, неправда кажем! 
Што се тиче овога, фина теорија, свиђа ми се. Мада, као што каже Кет, не верујем да ће да има неког великог утицаја на причу.

Darkstar je inače opak na maču.... Arijana to sama kaže...

Evo još jedna stvar koja bi mogla poslužiti kao nekakav dokaz.  
Arijani se sviđao Darkstar, a ako je on Oberinov sin, onda su to bile incestuozne misli. Budući da je Martin sklon incestu...  Ko zna, možda i jeste Oberinov sin.

Није као да се Дорњани гнушају тога.

dimi e pa za incest nisu..... vole homoseks, vole orgije, ali ne incest...
ket meni se čini da je on njoj skinuo mrak...

incest  - trade mark house of Lanister

no, no, no.... Porodična igra kuće Targarjena

ne kod Targova je vec u pitanju play off

Lanister... To je njima novotarija...

perverzno jedni a bogami i drugi...

CRNIJASTREB ::dimi e pa za incest nisu..... vole homoseks, vole orgije, ali ne incest...
ket meni se čini da je on njoj skinuo mrak...

Откуд знаш, само зато што још није потврђено не значи да није истина.

Dimeks ::

CRNIJASTREB ::dimi e pa za incest nisu..... vole homoseks, vole orgije, ali ne incest...
ket meni se čini da je on njoj skinuo mrak...

Откуд знаш, само зато што још није потврђено не значи да није истина.

 de de Dimi, in dubio pro reo malo :)necemo odma da ih oincestuozimo

Ма јес' сад, Оберин је плодио све што се креће и има рупу, а никад није пробао да га утне у сестру.Немој да се лажемо сад.

You guys have come a long way from Dzerold Dejn's origin...    
Or maybe you're right on track

Oberin nije Džejmi... Čovjek je volio sestru kao što voli svaki brat, a ne ko sjebani i nakazni stvor zvani Džejmi Lanister...

ajoj kakav opis dxejmija lol

CRNIJASTREB ::Oberin nije Džejmi... Čovjek je volio sestru kao što voli svaki brat, a ne ko sjebani i nakazni stvor zvani Džejmi Lanister...

Oberin je eksplicitno izjavio Tirionu: " moja sestra i ja smo bili nerazdvojni u mladosti, gotovo isto kao tvoji brat i sestra"  

 

Princ Regar ::

CRNIJASTREB ::Oberin nije Džejmi... Čovjek je volio sestru kao što voli svaki brat, a ne ko sjebani i nakazni stvor zvani Džejmi Lanister...

Oberin je eksplicitno izjavio Tirionu: " moja sestra i ja smo bili nerazdvojni u mladosti, gotovo isto kao tvoji brat i sestra"  

akcenat je na gotovo....

Znam da je offtopic (i to offtopic do daske), ali je povezano sa kucom Dejna. S obzirom da trenutno citam 2. knjigu Oluje maceva, paznju mi je privukao lik Edika Dejna. Da li se neko podrobnije bavio njegovim poreklom? Mislim, decko izgledom odskace od svih stereotipa vezanih za "juznjake". Ljubicaste oci i bela kosa? Zvuci mi jako poznato...

klasični dejn... arturov bratić... ima 12-13 godina....

Нису сви Дорњани тамнокоси и црномањасти. Камени Дорњани су заправо врло бледи.  A и чини ми се да су му очи описане као тамно плаве. не љубичасте.